It is if the physician concludes that Covid caused the death. That’s how we determine cause of death.
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Why are suicides, deaths from Parkinson’s, etc. included? The CDC provided specific guidance and, if followed, include speculative covid deaths (sniffles, headache, cough prior to death), and deaths within several months of testing positive. If the physician followed cdc guidelines—which they were, or felt, obligated to do—then covid became a cause of death.
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Living in Maryland (ugh!) we are already hearing and seeing high school athletic events for next month postponed or cancelled due to the latest COVID variant scares by the COVIDIAN culture. If the last 20 months have taught us anything, know full well cancellations are still coming. It won't...
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If a person has Parkinson’s and then Covid hastens their death that would be included as a Covid death. Deaths don’t solely included 100% healthy people.
regardless, the number of deaths that improperly included Covid are extremely minor and not statistically significant. Last time I checked there were 2 confirmed as inaccurately included.
Yeah, this was posted on the TC. That thread got locked. Will make committing to driving from Tampa for games very difficult for me. Especially if they can cancel the game 3 hours before kickoff (as an example).COVID cancellations coming
Living in Maryland (ugh!) we are already hearing and seeing high school athletic events for next month postponed or cancelled due to the latest COVID variant scares by the COVIDIAN culture. If the last 20 months have taught us anything, know full well cancellations are still coming. It won't...
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I am driving up Saturday. Going to be pretty pissed off if the game gets canceled.
I didn't read the press release. Did they give time frames on announcements? Just a yes or no is good. I'll read if I need to.
That was just proof that I work at Pfizer. It didn't get locked, just moved here haha
I'd guess that improperly "coded" deaths (there's more than 2, you know this) are offset by deaths that may have involved covid but were never tested. So we should just say 650k folks in the US have died, what the CDC says.
I'm driving down from NC on Friday. Good luck everyone!
might as well just make it easy and directly link to the VAERS data reports for the 1,791 people (all ages) that died within 24 hours of taking the vaccine.
you can read the notes and make your own decisions. There's another 5,000 you can review if you want to expand the mortality to occurring within 7 days post vaccination.
VAERS Data - Deaths within 24 hours of COVID vaccine being administered
here is the data generally reflective of the age range of people in this forum filtered for age 17-65 but with death occurring within 7 days of the vaccination being administered.
VAERS Data - Deaths within 7 days of COVID vaccine being administered age range 17-65
Cdc guidance suggests labeling covid as a cause of death where symptoms of covid are shown, where no test was administered… even where they test negative,
I’m also sure I read back in the fall that guidance was that for reporting purposes a diagnoses within 60/90 days (not sure which) meant any death was listed as CoVid. Those are crazy rules if true.
Yes. I don't recall the exact number of days, but recall it was months (more than 1). The idea that these nonsensical covid deaths somehow make up for unreported covid deaths is ridiculous. While I think the latter is substantial in the first couple months of 2020, it's a nominal figure from March or April of 2020, forward.
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Looks like everyone concerned about the vaccine not being fully approved will be lining up to get Pfizer now.
I won't claim to be an expert, so I'm hoping @Dhersh can chime in here. Was there full public discussion and discourse prior to this approval? If no, why not? I do not know who/what BMJ is, and it's irrelevant, in my opinion, IF IF IF the story is accurate.
For those absolutely not trusting the government or big pharma to do the right thing, ever, this has a bad look. But I'm open to hearing how this is a good thing.
@Dhersh, thanks in advance.
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2086
For those absolutely not trusting the government or big pharma to do the right thing, ever, this has a bad look. But I'm open to hearing how this is a good thing.
@Dhersh, thanks in advance.
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2086
This has been one of the most scrutinized vaccines ever.
Your point is that because there wasn't an official public discourse event held with the data that somehow means that everyone should be wary of it's approval. I said before it's approval that the reason to not get it would turn to well it was approved too fast, which is exactly what is happening.
Sorry, I'm not following what your last sentence is trying to say. can you restate it?
And what if.....the search for FSU's new president happened, and the final meeting (that was public) was held behind closed doors. How would that make you feel?
Well Sunshine laws don't allow it to happen so it isn't relevant.
There is no requirement that the FDA do it before full approval and they already did it before the emergency use was granted.
the BMJ is just a minor british publication. only been around for nearly 200 years. it's impact is below that of NEJM but above JAMA. top 4 in the world. it's the most impactful medical journal in europe.
I didn't know that, so that's good to know.
Really, what I'd like to know is if it's normal for the final hearing to be public or if it's a regular occurrence for it to be behind closed doors. If it's normal, then my question is null/void. If it's not normal, the why did it happen in this instance?
And Pops, you're reply...."it's sunshine laws, so that's irrelevant" is a BS response and you know it. My question was WHAT IF that happened. You'd be pissed, and so would I. ESPECIALLY if many FSU supporters didn't trust the BOT to make the best decision for the University. So, stop with that type of response. You're better than that.
Would I be pissed if FSU violated the law to do so? Yes.
The FDA has not violated any law. There was nothing requiring them to hold a data presentation event so it's not the same thing at all.
The vaccine and resulting data have been heavily scrutinized throughout the process on the way to full approval. It is part of the FDA/CDC approval process to hold regular meetings to analyze the data. However, I think anyone who has been reading my comments in COVID threads would know that I am a fan of thorough analysis, and the transparency that comes with it.
If I am being honest, yes, I am disappointed that they skipped this final review. That said, I am no more concerned about the safety and efficacy of Comirnaty, based on the data which was collected and submitted to the FDA. I believe that it was a purely a political decision to skip this discussion, but it should not reflect negatively on Pfizer/BioNTech and the effort they have made to develop a reliable vaccine, or the data that has been submitted. Personally, I believe Pfizer/BioNTech relieved themselves of all political implications when they turned down $2B in federal funding when deciding not to enroll in Operation Warp Speed.
Thank you for this honest answer. I've seen no judgement in any of your posts of those like me who are skeptical (although, I have not seen all your posts!). Unfortunately, there are a lot of judgmental Cliff Clavin's here. You're not one of them.
And I really do hope I lose our bet; I want you to be right and I want to be wrong.
I'm sure I've said unnecessary things before. Its been a frustrating time for a lot of people, me included.
Anyway, neither of us wins or loses the bet. Charity wins, and that is the thing that matters 👍
I don't agree with you all the time, but I really appreciate how you've approached this.
Thanks man. Its always... "enjoyable" discussing with someone who agrees with you. But you don't get as much out of it. It's ok to disagree if it builds on the conversation and presents on opportunity for one or both sides to learn. I don't claim to have all the right answers, and if I have a chance to learn something by debating with someone else, that is a constructive conversation imo.
While I wouldn’t take it without full approval that was not what keeps me from taking it. I will not take any drug that is so rushed through the process. The adverse effects have not even had time for full investigation.
But you don't understand. This vaccine has been tested more than any other in history. That means it is safe so you're good to go. Trust the fda and the government. They know what's best. (no offense, @Dhersh)
It’s not FDA approved!
It’s approved. Don’t trust the FDA!
I don’t trust that entity who exists to make sure products are safe. I’m going to go take some cow dewormer I bought at a feed store based on my own research, thank you!
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